Lyn Lifshin Interviewed by Laura Stamps

     Lyn Lifshin is a poet "dynamo." Her poetry career spans more than thirty years, and in that time her poems have appeared in almost every small press literary journal and magazine in print and on the internet. With well over one hundred books and chapbooks to her credit she has also edited four anthologies, one of which has been in print for over twenty-five years. Nevertheless, the last twelve months have been a challenging time for this small press veteran, a period ripe with unexpected changes and rewards that will affect her extraordinary career for years to come. After returning from a trip to New York, Lifshin was kind enough to talk with me about this remarkable year.


LAURA STAMPS: In the spring of 2002 you learned your publisher, Black Sparrow Press, was closing its doors. After thirty-six years and at the age of seventy-one, John Martin, the founder and owner of Black Sparrow Press, had decided to retire. He sold the rights to the backlist of three authors, Bukowski, Fante, and Bowles, to Ecco Press at HarperCollins. The remaining backlist and its authors went to David R. Godine. The news rocked the small press world for months. Let's go back. How did your relationship with Black Sparrow Press begin?

LYN LIFSHIN: I am always amazed when I hear someone has said I write to publishers asking them to publish my books or chapbooks. In truth, I often send very large submissions to magazines, and some of these have become books and chapbooks. Out of the more than one hundred books and chapbooks I've published, I have only submitted three that were uninvited. As a distraction the year of my divorce I decided to enter the Houghton Mifflin Newcomers Award competition and an American University competition. For the Houghton Mifflin contest I picked a variety of poems I called OFFERED BY OWNER. Around the time of the divorce we were selling one house and buying another, and the phrase seemed to resonate with many meanings. I was a finalist in both contests, and learned I was down to, I believe, one of two in the Houghton Mifflin Award. On July 14, 1975, Bastille Day, the day I got divorced, I learned I had not won either. I was very disappointed. These were the first manuscripts I had put together, and I had great confidence in OFFERED BY OWNER. I decided I would immediately send it to a publisher I respected immensely and also felt I would fit with: Black Sparrow Press. Black Sparrow told me they liked the poems, but were overbooked, yet encouraged me to send more poems later. Soon after that, Women's Audio Exchange, a book and recording company, approached me, and in 1978 the poems were recorded and then released in 1979.

STAMPS: Yet your first Black Sparrow book, COLD COMFORT, was published over twenty years later in 1997. What happened?

LIFSHIN: Why did it take me so long to get back to Black Sparrow and send John Martin a new manuscript? It's a mystery to me, especially since I had admired the quality and design of their books for years. The turbulence of that period, my relationships, my mother's decline, coupled with other presses asking to do books kept me from getting back to Black Sparrow sooner, a sad regret. It wasn't until many years later when a class I usually took before ballet was cancelled that I ended up in an independent bookstore in Dupont Circle in Washington, DC. Months earlier, a rather unpleasant interaction with that bookstore buyer had led to the poem "Trying to Get the Bookstore to Buy my Book," which appeared in Gargoyle Magazine and BEFORE IT'S LIGHT. Even though I vowed I would never buy from this bookstore again, I had two or three free hours that night and decided to look through its large poetry section for the presses I would want to be published by. Without question, once again, about twenty years and one hundred books later, it was John Martin's Black Sparrow Press books I was drawn to. I wrote John Martin right away, and he agreed to look at a manuscript. He suggested using only poems that had been out of print for ten years and poems that had never appeared in a book. From the moment my manuscript, COLD COMFORT, was accepted I felt unbelievably lucky and privileged to be a part of what I considered to be the best of the small presses.

STAMPS: What was it like to be a Black Sparrow author?

LIFSHIN: I was now working with the most responsive, generous, kind, perceptive people I could ever imagine. I only wish now, when I learned Black Sparrow was being sold and absorbed by two other presses, that I had, as John Martin had said too, been sending books for fifteen years. It haunts me knowing I could have had a solid series of Black Sparrow books now. Every aspect of working with Black Sparrow was a dream. Books were in the bookstores that ordered. If I needed books sent to a university for a reading, I never had to wonder if they'd be there. For my second Black Sparrow book, BEFORE IT'S LIGHT, and a book party planned dangerously close to the publication date, John Martin magically managed to get the book to me in time. In 2000, when I proposed a reading of Black Sparrow writers for AWP, John sent boxes and boxes of books, and generously let the authors sell their own books and keep any sales. I had hoped, as we had agreed, to only publish with Black Sparrow and was more than happy with that arrangement. For a few years I turned down many requests to do books and chapbooks, and for several years stopped sending out poetry submissions to concentrate on readings and workshops to publicize the book.

STAMPS: What a shock it must have been to hear after six years with Black Sparrow that it was over.

LIFSHIN: In the spring of 2002 I was planning poetry parties and readings for my third Black Sparrow book, ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOOKS LIKE ME. John Martin and I had agreed on this new title for my fall book instead of my original title, BRUISED VELVET, because he had a novel in his backlist with a similar title. I always try to do everything possible to publicize a book: large mailings, readings, parties, press releases, flyers, trying to be as helpful to all the publishers of my books as possible. I had just returned from the Austin Poetry Festival, where I had been handing out flyers for this new Black Sparrow book, when on May 3, 2002, I received an email from John Martin. He had wanted to be the first to let Black Sparrow authors know. I was shocked. As soon as I saw those words it felt like an obituary. I never met John in person, and yet I felt my life was tied to him. Our correspondence was brief, often on blue postcards. Michele Filshie and everyone in the office seemed like friends I had known for a long time. I understand his decision, and he was very kind to call later about my concerns. He is a wonderful, generous person. For example, when COLD COMFORT came out, he sent me the loveliest note from Bill Press about the book. Later Bill held up a book of mine on the CNN program, THE SPIN ROOM. I tried to get a tape of that program from CNN. I told John Martin about it, and though I never received the copy I ordered from CNN, John sent one to me.

STAMPS: And now there is the new Black Sparrow/David R. Godine imprint.

LIFSHIN: Yes, and I am very grateful that ANOTHER WOMAN will come out from Godine. I know they are in transition, and patience is necessary. I recently talked on the phone with Chris Carduff, the new editor who will be in charge of the Black Sparrow list. He is wonderful about returning emails. I respect and appreciate that, and look forward very much to working with him. David R. Godine has an excellent, longstanding reputation in the small press. His catalogs are lovely, and I am very excited about that too.

STAMPS: Tell us a little about the new Black Sparrow/David R. Godine book, ANOTHER WOMAN WHO LOOKS LIKE ME.

LIFSHIN: John Martin liked variety, and he seemed drawn to poems about family and relationships. I picked many new poems about love relationships, family complications, mother and daughter relationships, and poems about growing up in a small town. I also included poems based on paintings, especially Romare Beardon's pieces, a North Carolina painter whose work I discovered in the two rich years I lived in the Pennsylvania Quarter of DC, which is minutes from many major museums. Along with the fantasy and myth poems, like the title poem, I do have many poems that seem autobiographical. I am always amused when someone calls me a confessional poet. The first few years I published, all the letters sent to me were addressed to "Mr. Lifshin." No one had any idea I was a woman.

STAMPS: That summer, as you were still recovering from the news about Black Sparrow, Robert Bixby of March Street Press contacted you about publishing a new book of your poems in the fall, A NEW FILM ABOUT A WOMAN IN LOVE WITH THE DEAD. How did that book come about?

LIFSHIN: I always liked Robert Bixby's books and his magazine, PARTING GIFTS, in particular his choice of spare tight poems. It was an August afternoon several years earlier, and I decided I had enough poems for another Black Sparrow book. I wanted to send out new poems, something I had stopped doing for over two years when I decided to concentrate on putting Black Sparrow books together. Traveling around the country to read, so often I would hear that people knew my work from anthologies and magazines, and not from my books, even though I had published so many. I clearly remember sending a few magazines large Priority Mail envelopes, mostly to editors I knew were open to this. But I also sent one to Robert Bixby full of poems that seemed spare like the ones he published. When I received no response, I felt I had offended him with so many poems, and he had probably shredded them. Then, last summer, when I heard that he was planning a book of mine from the poems I had sent as a poetry submission, the timing couldn't have been better. It was just after the terribly disappointing Black Sparrow news, and I was thrilled to have a substantial new book coming out soon, especially since ANOTHER WOMAN was not going to be published as planned in the fall of 2002. Bixby arranged the poems in a narrative format, almost a novel in verse, and it is beautifully printed and hand-bound. The poems touch on the "every woman loves a Nazi" theme, a relationship that is obsessive, the kind many women who have fallen for a bad-news boyfriend will find almost gleeful, if not a balm. The book is available on Amazon, and it can also be ordered from my web site: www.lynlifshin.com. Or it can be ordered from March Street Press.

STAMPS: A month after the March Street book was published you were asked to update your memoir.

LIFSHIN: In 1988 Gale Research Series, a bibliographic tool found in most libraries, contacted me about writing an autobiography. I had been interested in trying a novel or autobiography and felt it would be somehow easier to write about my past with my mother still alive. Also, I wanted to write about my grandparents and things about the past only my mother would know. I loved doing it. I finished the piece in 1988. Or thought I did. Then I added more in February 1989. At the same time the documentary film about me, LYN

LIFSHIN: NOT MADE OF GLASS, was moving toward its premiere. My mother was showing signs of failing, but I tried not to see. I called the memoir ON THE OUTSIDE: LIPS, BLUES, BLUE LACE. It made perfect sense to me, because several of my books have the word "lips" in the title. I have always loved the blues for what is left out, left to the imagination. And blue lace is an object I use in workshops that often seems to trigger personal memories. In October of 2002, sixteen years later, I was asked to write an update to my Gale Research Series piece, though Contemporary Poets is publishing them now for colleges and high schools, as well as the general public. The years after the memoir first appeared were years of huge change for me: my mother's decline and death on August 20, 1990, and my move to Washington DC in 1992, all changes that had transformed my life and work. The years from 1968 to 1989 seemed an enormous stretch: divorce; art colonies like Yaddo, Millay, and MacDowell; and almost ninety books. When I sat down to update my memoir, those years from 1990 to 2002 were so intense, vivid, and memorable. This time I did not work as I had done with the first section of the memoir by going back through old letters, outlines, photographs, and diaries. Actually, I no longer keep a diary, except about my cat. This memoir was, the publisher requested, to focus on my work and how my life connected with my work. In keeping with that theme, the update just seemed to flow.

STAMPS: Finally, many of your trips to New York this year have been to pack your archives for a major sale to Temple University. How is that coming along?

LIFSHIN: It's a coincidence, a figurative and literal wrapping up it seems, that when I was working on that first memoir, I had recently sold a group of my papers, as I am right now. When I began writing poetry it didn't occur to me to save my handwritten manuscripts. I wrote by hand on pads of yellow-lined paper, folded the poem in four, and stuffed it in a red cloth bag. When I went on a typing binge I unfolded the yellow pages and tossed each one out. It didn't occur to me to do anything else until a librarian asked me about selling my archives. It was 1979, and he had published some of my poetry as letterpress broadsides and took on the tedious job of filing and sorting my correspondence, drafts of poems, clippings, and photographs. He used to drive to my house in New York and load his car with garbage bags of crumpled papers, posters, and contracts. Then he would contact libraries collecting writers' works. In 1979 I didn't realize the University of Texas at Austin was one of the very best places to have your collections housed. They made me an offer that was very high. Every few months I'd send another box or two and get a generous payment. It was wonderful. Even though my librarian friend eventually moved on, I continued to sell boxes every few months, assuming the process would not change. However, with the move of the archivist who had been interested in my work and the downturn in the oil economy, everything changed. Libraries nationwide were buying less. I believe Temple University was the first place I approached next, and they bought what I had then, including duplicates of much of what the University of Texas had purchased, which were mostly copies of books and magazines. They made a couple of purchases. The last purchase was in 1986. Since then there have been several excellent curators interested in my archives, including the Library of Congress, but nothing was ever finalized.

STAMPS: What initiated this recent purchase by Temple?

LIFSHIN: In 1997 I got back in touch with Temple. In August of 2000 the main archivist came to my house in Niskayuna, New York, and said Temple would like to buy everything up there. The garage and cellar were packed, and you could hardly move. Two years later, they made an offer. For the last month I've worked nonstop in New York and Virginia labeling, constructing boxes, having bizarre talks with UPS over shipping charges, pickups, and accounts. Eventually, I hope everything will be together in Temple's Samuel Paley Library: video tapes, diaries, all the drawings of me by some fairly well-known artists, as well as paintings and sketches I have done, many handwritten spiral notebooks, photographs, and so much more. Also boxes of fliers from readings with Ken Kesey, Allen Ginsberg, Bukowski, Gary Snyder, Ai, Ed Dorn, and tons of phonographs from Yaddo with Molly Peacock, Philip Roth, John Cheever, and the Papp Public Theater readings. Not having children to leave anything to, I've usually selected publishers, editors, and archives as the recipients of most of what I leave. All in all, there were seventy-three boxes shipped from New York and thirty-six from Virginia, a total of 109 boxes for this Temple purchase. I still have thirty more in New York for the next purchase in August. After that I am hoping I can send a few boxes at a time as they accumulate.

STAMPS: Now that the archives are packed and delivered, what are your immediate plans?

LIFSHIN: I'm looking forward to relaxing a little with my delightful and energetic kitten Jete, writing more poems, and waiting for the publication of my new Black Sparrow/David R. Godine book. I also want to get back to typing. I still have forty-five spiral notebooks of handwritten poems never typed up from the last ten years or so, and a number of smaller notebooks. Spending so much time this year packing my archives for Temple has reminded me in many ways how lucky I've been to have had very supportive people in my writing life and in my personal life. I was so lucky to have John Martin at Black Sparrow Press and now Chris Carduff at Black Sparrow/David R. Godine. I've been lucky in the past with wonderful, caring editors like Marvin Malone, Bill Packard, Noel Young, John Gill, and Bill Matthews, editors no longer alive, and many who still are. Lucky, too, to have so much energy and the luxury to write!

© Laura Stamps
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